We have been given a pretty sanitized version of World War II… I wonder if it’s true?
I can’t say I know much about the topic of jealousy, cruelty and the Holocaust. But Mark Twain, who once worked as a journalist, he said journalists are mostly ignorant, that journalism is the only profession where you get paid to get an education in public by making a fool out of yourself. But that wisdom won’t stop me, as foolishness is sometimes over-rated as a vice. Also, a man who has himself as his own lawyer, he has a fool for a client. So perhaps a man who is his own teacher has a fool for a student. So what I am saying is, I won’t let my own ignorance get in the way of a partial self-education, which is what all writing really is….
I mean, this Hitler man that everyone still talks about, seventy-six years after his death, I’m convinced he was bad, but I wonder: how bad was he? What’s the back story on Adolf? Can we acquire sympathy for Hitler, which we surely don’t have now? Almost no one has any sympathy for the guy. And the people who have sympathy for him, are generally bad people. Can good people feel some sympathy for Hitler? Seriously. He is still hated….for good reason. I guess starting a war that ends up killing 50 million humans, it ruins your reputation as a human being, so it’s understandable that he is hated, till this day. But are we missing something in our thinking? Does he deserve a bit of human charity? Was was there any humanity in this monster? Can we look at Hitler and say, “there is a bit of me, in him, I could be like that”? A long time has past, since his time. The emotions are starting to settle down. Can we sit back now and reflect a bit more dispassionately? Is there anything you can look at and say, what he did was very wrong, but it was more complicated, than I first imagined?
First, some pics and family photos.
Adolf seemed like a cute baby:
His girlfriend Eva….she seemed nice…
Where to turn to, in my ignorance, for good information?……..
I know! Let’s ask Jordan Peterson. I trust Dr. Peterson because he is a very good man, he has lots of Jewish friends, he studied Hitler for a long time, to find out what makes him tick. Dr. Peterson’s views are pretty mainstream, which I like, since it’s best to start with what most people who study Hitler, agree about:
Jordan Peterson 2:15 to 3:17 “And the Germans had plenty of reasons to be resentful and hateful, because think about what they went through. We can’t even imagine it. First of all, there was World War One, and so there was many men, like Hitler himself, who served in the trenches. There’s one story about Hitler. He won a medal for heroism in World War One. And he was sitting around with a group of his buddies and he went off to do something. God only knows what. When he came back, they were all dead, because…..some kind of shell had landed in the middle and killed them all. It’s like….that changes you. And then afterwards, there was all these brutalized men, who’d come out of the trenches. I mean, you just can’t imagine, what it must have been like, in the trenches……especially if you’re there for a couple of years. You aren’t the same person. You get out of there, you’re unemployed, your country is in ruins. Then the hyper-inflation hits, and every single person in Germany, who ever saved any money at all, is flat bloody broke. And then there is a communist revolution brewing in Russia, and it’s….it’s hell!
Yes, Germany was in ruins after World War One. Germany had lost World War One, then they got treated like shit, by the other European powers…..England, France etc. Germany leaders were forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles…..which ruined and crippled Germany, financially. It forced ordinary Germans to pay taxes to send their money, to England and France. It’s kind of like, if you have a fight with a guy, beat the crap out of him, then for the next 20 years, you force him to send you a check each month. What if you had been that guy who got the shit kicked out of him, then you had to send the guy that beat you up, money for 20 years? What if you did a bad thing, then you were brutally financially crippled, as punishment? Would you resent it? Would you be angry? Would you feel betrayed? Would your self-esteem take a brutal hit? Of course it would. Would you feel like you are a loser? Would you feel resentful? Would you fear that you are a loser, going nowhere forever? Would you be bitter?…..of course you would be. Who wouldn’t?
If I were an ordinary German man in that era, I’d be pissed too….
So maybe part of the lesson of Hitler, is if people do bad things….which Germans surely did….if people do bad things, and then to punish them, you are brutal to them, ruin them financially, maybe you turn a defeated man into someone who will hate your guts and try to destroy you. Maybe part of the lesson of Hitler, is not to create your own enemies, through your callousness, your indifference to the suffering of others. Maybe it’s time to admit that England and France, to some degree, they created Hitler, by being such assholes to Germans, after England and France won World War One. That doesn’t excuse Hitler for what he did, but it means being more realistic about blame. Maybe a lesson here is don’t give people reason to resent you and hate you. Maybe a lesson is, when you humiliate someone, they maybe will try to get you in the future. Does anyone still remember the Golden Rule? Maybe a lesson here is if you destroy someone’s self-esteem, they might turn and try to murder you, if they get a chance. Maybe it’s time to start teaching kids that actually Britain and France are a lot to blame, for the rise of Hitler.
Of course, it’s not just the English and French leaders being assholes, which caused problems. Sometimes shit just happens. Did you ever coast along in life, minding your own business, not doing anything wrong, then out of the blue, you didn’t see it coming, but a two-by-four hits you in the side of the head? No? Stick around, bucko. Stick around a while longer, if it hasn’t happened to you….because it will, one way or another. It can happen in a billion ways and you will never see it coming.
For Germans after World War One, the brutality of that time, then the Great Depression hit, out of the blue. I talked to lots of people who lived through the Great Depression in North America. Go read “Ten Lost Years” by Barry Broadfoot, if you want to know what it was like for ordinary people who lived through the Depression. It was worse in Germany. The entire financial system collapsed, leaving millions of Germans unemployed. How would you feel, if that were you? Have you ever lost your job and had no money to live on? I have….believe me, it sucks, it’s brutally hard. Of course, millions of men being unemployed, these men usually had wives and girlfriends and children. Which meant that as the bread winner, millions and millions of these young men could no longer provide for their families. Have you ever looked at the face of your child and told them sorry you can’t eat today, daddy has no job, no food for you?……I can’t imagine.
Hitler came along, in this misery and said, “I’ll fix this”. But did it work? Did Hitler Economics work? Actually that’s the scary thing about the Nazis….their programs were very successful at the start. They made life much better for Germans. As Professor Peterson put it at 4 minutes 45 seconds, at the top video: “You can’t say Hitler didn’t do wonders for Germany’s economy, in the first part of his reign.”. Hitler certainly improved things at first. It got Germany back on it’s feet. That may be the scariest thing about Nazi-ism: it worked, economically, very well, before Hitler went off the rails. It’s no wonder so many Germans supported Hitler. He restored dignity and pride to Germany. Every human being needs that. Jews need that. Gentiles need that. I have sympathy for both.
However, let’s bring in a Jewish scholar Brett Weinstein and a martial arts expert Joe Rogan, to join Professor Peterson, in the ongoing conversation on Hitler:
Brett Weinstein has some really interesting things to say, starting at 1 minute 50 seconds. Professor Weinstein’s comments in italics:
“They argument that I want to lay out today….I want to be real careful, to do this, so it can’t be misinterpreted, by anybody…..my argument, from all those years ago, in my paper that I…..that I mentioned at the beginning, was that Hitler a monster, as we all know. But he was a Rational Monster. That the program, that he deployed, not what he said, mind you. What he said was wrong in many places, especially where it gets near Darwinism. It’s just all tangled and broken.
But what he did was rational from the point of view of increasing the amount of resource that was dedicated to producing members of his population. And so my point is, this is the danger that we are in, if we allow ourselves to imagine that genocidal impulses are more or less gone from the world, because we have all assumed, we have all agreed that it is a bad thing.
And the point is that they exist in a latent program, and at a point when you have austerity as a result of usually an opportunity that has run it’s course, and has resulted in the population growing to fill that opportunity and suddenly there’s no where to go, because the opportunity has all been absorbed, the tendency of people is to figure out, who, what other population is weak. And if that other population is across a border, then there is some excuse for war. And if the population is within the border, then it’s a genocide.
But the point is that……that is an ever present danger, for us” 3 minutes 48 seconds end.
My comment on Professor Weinstein’s remark above: I agree with Professor Weinstein. It’s an ever present human danger, humans will run off the rails and end in genocide. The fact that we all agree that genocide is bad, does not do away with that danger. It’s likely some deeply embedded evolutionary program for survival, that we have as humans. Jane Goodal the anthropologist studied chimps in the wild for decades. She found that from time to time, they genocide other groups of chimps. Maybe humans have a legacy of the same genetic programming. When opportunity runs out, we look for someone to blame, someone to kill or groups of people to kill, if the trouble for us is bad enough.
Do you see your face yet, in this narrative? If not, read a bit more carefully.
That brutality, just like chimps genocide each other, is what Germans did to the Jews. But my point is, there is all kinds of mitigating factors here: England and France were assholes to the Germans after the war. This increased the likelihood that genocide and war would rear it’s nasty head. Germans and Englishmen need to bear moral responsibility for that. My point is that the reparations after the WWII loss by Germany, the reparations were so horrible, they increased German resentment and allowed Hitler to rise to power and all the genocide and chaos to ensue. My point is, when you treat people like garbage, that’s what you get….and Germans were certainly treated like garbage, by the other European powers.
Rational evil. Rational Monsters.
When I was young, I was educated about the evil of WWII and the Nazis. I agree with that narrative, but there is more to the story, than I first believed. Things were left out, due to the hatred against Germans, after the war. That continues to this day. Maybe it’s time for a new emphasis, that includes more, including forgiveness. So the emphasis on the historical narrative we are told is false. The narrative is about how evil Hitler was, with little else told. Yes Germans did a bad thing. So did the English. So did the French. Let’s not pretend the true story is simply a matter of Germans being morally responsible for the horrible genocide and war. It’s not. That view makes no sense. We need to be aware, as Professor Weinstein points out, that humans can be very, very nasty creatures….not just Germans. We all have the capacity for doing horrible things. I really don’t think this is just about Germans. There is nothing peculiar in the genetics of Germans, which makes them different than other humans. All humans have this capacity for genetic annihilation of competing groups. That’s what the lesson of WWII and the Holocaust should be. It should not be just about blaming Germans and guilting them, for that is a naive, false view of biology, human nature and history.
So yes, Hitler was a monster. A rational monster. But guess what, human? We are all monsters and potential monsters….just like Hitler. Doesn’t matter your race or ethnicity or gender: you are a potential monster. Women cheered Hitler, just like the men did. Black people are perfectly capable of genocide too:
Look in the mirror, before you proclaim someone a “Nazi”…..have you understood yourself first?
There is nothing uniquely German, nor is there anything uniquely European, about genocide and cruelty. About 60 million abortions have taken place in America since abortion was legalized in 1973, so I’d argue that there is nothing particularly male about the human impulse to end other life, for further economic advancement of an an individual human being……we are all like that.
And Professor Peterson makes a really good point, in the first video at top: When he got into hot water for going against politically correct orthodoxy and was attacked by the media and by academics, one thing he said he learned, was how few people had courage. Almost no one stood up to the mob. Almost no one had the courage to take a stand, to stand out among the crowd, even if there was very little consequence for doing so, if you were a tenured Professor who could not lose your job for speaking out, because you have a job guarantee when you are tenured. Even then, very few had the courage to speak out.
So my point is that Hitler rose to power for many reasons, one of which is that the vast majority of human beings are gutless. That likely means you. They won’t take a stand….just like the average German. I remember a family member, my brother’s father in law, talking about the War. He was from Germany, was Peter. He said, “Oh, everyone was just following orders”. You can read that as “We were cowards like everyone else.”…So all the people that say, Hitler was evil, Hitler was bad, if it were me back then, I would not be like that. I’m a good person, yada yada…..all that sort of opinion if full of crap. The sense of moral self-righteousness and accompanying moral superiority that comes when pointing a finger, saying “You are Hitler” is very common among left wing people. They are stupid, gutless, have no real comprehension of history, biology or human nature…..or indeed no comprehension of their own moral failings, even while they wrap themselves in a warm blanket of self-proclaimed yet incredibly naive moral sense of superiority. That is one of the mental diseases of our time, particularly on the left. Gutless, naive cowards.
But what about the Jews? Are they not completely blameless in this? I doubt it. My sympathies have always been with the Jews, since I visited the Anne Frank Museum in Amsterdam on a family trip to look into my ancestral Dutch and German roots. What a horrifying thing it was, to be in the very same room where a young girl lived in fear and was finally rounded up.
But getting back to how to view the Jews in this, my guess is they were mostly victims, but the story is more complicated than that. I read a book a couple decades ago about Sigmund Freud, the German-Jewish psychologist. It was a very good book, written by Peter Gay, an English Jewish intellectual…..so naturally it was quite sympathetic to Jews, which is a good thing. I seem to recall from reading it a few decades ago, that Peter Gay said that the Jews were economically quite dominant in Germany, before the war. So naturally I wondered if my memory was correct, for a book I had read so long ago. And naturally I thought, if that were true, then likely part of the reason for the rise of Hitler and Nazi-ism and the eventual horrible Holocaust, was jealousy.
Anyone who used to say the Jews had all the money, used to be considered a bigot and an antisemitic. I don’t fit either of those labels. But I wonder: what are the facts? Could economic jealousy have been part of the reason for the rise of Hitler? Did Jews have disproportionately far more money than most Germans? So to start out, I bought that Peter Gay book, on Kindle. Very easy to do, in this age of the internet. Very easy to scan that book, looking for reference to Jews and money during that era of Freud at his peak. So I did so. Here is what I found:
“By the 1880s, at least half of all Viennese journalists, physicians, and lawyers were Jews. Freud at Gymnasium contemplating either a legal or a medical career was being perfectly conventional. That is what many young Jews in Vienna did. Demonstrating their proverbial appetite for learning, they poured into Vienna’s educational institutions and, concentrated as they were in a few districts, clustered in a few schools until their classes resembled extended family clans. During the eight years that Freud attended his Gymnasium, between 1865 and 1873, the number of Jewish students there increased from 68 to 300, rising from 44 to 73 percent of the total school population.”
“Feeling beleaguered by this ever-growing Jewish presence, Austrian gentiles worried over it in humor magazines, social clubs, and political meetings. They made anxious jokes, pleaded for the assimilation of the “alien” invaders, or, some of them, issued strident calls for their expulsion. In 1857, when Freud was a year old, the census showed slightly more than 6,000 Jews in Vienna, just over 2 percent of the population; ten years later, what with favorable legislation and improving economic chances, Jews had moved to the city in large waves: they now numbered 40,000, or 6 percent.”
“In 1872 Jacob Burckhardt, the great Swiss historian of the Renaissance, who detested the haste and nervousness of modern civilization and saw Jews as its supreme embodiment, grimly charged during one of his visits that the Jews were running Vienna.”
“With evident approval, he noted “the growing aversion to the all-powerful Jews and their thoroughly venal press.” Yet the invasion was not yet over; by 1880, when they had grown to over 72,000, one in every ten inhabitants of Vienna was a Jew. When Burckhardt returned to the city in 1884, he found it thoroughly “judaized”—verjudet. It is a repulsive term that was to enjoy an ominous career in Freud’s lifetime. Certainly it expressed a widespread perception.”
“At the same time, the opportunities beckoning emancipated Austrian Jews spread beyond financial profit or professional advancement. Jews participated prominently in the life of Vienna’s culture as its makers and its middlemen: they were publishers, editors, gallery owners, theatrical and musical promoters, poets, novelists, conductors, virtuosos, painters, scientists, philosophers, and historians.* Names like Arthur Schnitzler, Karl Kraus, Gustav Mahler, only hint at the diversity in this formidable array of talents. In the bureaucracy of the Dual Monarchy and in its army, Jews made careers largely after being converted to Catholicism, but some achieved high ranks without baptism. A number of Jewish families were ennobled, for their wealth or their service to the state, without denying, let alone renouncing, their origins.”
“The anti-Semitism of those years was, Schnitzler thought, neither respectable nor dangerous. Yet it made him anxious and bitter. Jew-hatred was a nuisance becoming more disagreeable, more threatening, with the years. Another educated Viennese witness, Dr. Valentin Pollak, born in 1871, remembered: “In my early youth, it was still only dumb hate.” It was “not accepted by good society, but we felt it badly,”
Gay, Peter. Freud: A Life for Our Time . W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle Edition.
My comment: Sounds like jealousy to me. Ordinary Germans, devastated by the War and Great Depression, were jealous of rich Jews. Obviously the Jewish-German population did extraordinarily well in Germany and Austria, after a very, very long historical period of terrible persecution. Why did they do well eventually? Northern European Jews have an IQ that is almost 1 Standard Deviation above the European average. Once society is liberalized and they are allowed to economically compete against other Germans, they out-compete them, acquire much of the money, dominate the professions. Remember what I said about how horrible the average German had it, after WWI? I doubt the same thing applies to the Jewish-German community. They likely did much, much better than most Germans…..till Hitler came to power.
Question: Did the financial elite Jews in Germany and Austria ever do anything for the ordinary Germans? History might have turned out very, very different, if they had. Imagine if a rich Jew had befriended Hitler as a young man. He might have had a friend in Adolf, for life. I remember reading about my hero, Sir Winston Churchill. Like me, he was very fond of Jews. The reason? When he was a young man, a rich and kind Jew befriended him, took him under his wing and advised Winston Churchill on money and helped him be very financially successful.
That didn’t happen to Hitler, nor to most Germans. When the rich sit on their hands and do nothing when people suffer, then poor people get very, very angry.
So the rise of Hitler was likely fueled very much, by economic resentment and jealousy Germans felt, to Jews. The land was German. Most of the people there, were ethnic Germans. A very small but talented minority moved in and was economically displacing the native German population, among the financially successful elites. Then the Great Depression happened, the German economy crashed, hyper-inflation wiped out the savings of most, especially the poor. Sounds like a perfect recipe for the people to support an insane dictator.
So the question is: who is most vulnerable in this situation? Ordinary Germans? Or Jews? My answer: Both. Jews were vulnerable because they were small in number. Ordinary Germans were vulnerable because they were being economically displaced, in the economy……In an era of globalization, of the American elites destroying the lives of the working American middle class, of off-shoring jobs to China and Mexico, these are lessons we might want to pay attention to, if we want a stable country.
I think there is a good lesson for us here. Germany was the original multi-cultural country….Jews and Germans living side by side. We are also attempting a multi-cultural society in America. Within those types of societies, some groups will start to out-compete other segments of the population. There is potential danger in that: If the larger segment of the population suffers financially, the minority who is rich may end up paying the price….once the poor majority have their revenge. If the situation gets bad enough, wealth gets polarized enough, Holocausts can happen, as Professor Weinstein said the same thing, but in a slightly different way, a more scientific way:
“And the point is that they exist in a latent program, and at a point when you have austerity as a result of usually an opportunity that has run it’s course, and has resulted in the population growing to fill that opportunity and suddenly there’s no where to go, because the opportunity has all been absorbed, the tendency of people is to figure out, who, what other population is weak. And if that other population is across a border, then there is some excuse for war. And if the population is within the border, then it’s a genocide.”
In attempting to build a multi-cultural society, we might be well advised to remember the lesson of Germany during the war: One potential outcome of a multi-cultural society, if we handle it wrong, is genocide.
One portal to this happening, are economic laws, like The Pareto Principle…..which says wealth tends to concentrate in a capitalist economy. And the Pareto Principle in a modern economy, it favors the more intelligent. This means that more and more wealth gets concentrated into fewer and fewer hands. And those hands tend to be the more intelligent segments of the populations, such as Jews. If we wish to remain a vibrant and peaceful multi-cultural society, we might want to pay attention to that.
There is of course, a ton of evidence, now very well known, that yes indeed, just like in pre-Nazi Germany, Jews in America make a lot more money on average, than do other white Americans. Jews are vastly over-represented in higher learning, Ivy League Schools like Harvard, on Wall Street, vastly over-represented among the billionaire class….links below. So the idea that Jews controlled much of the money in pre-Hitler Germany sounds to me not so much an alt-right conspiracy, but just common sense and a playing out of IQ averages, in an economy. Alt-righters say there is no conspiracy, that whites in general earn more money than black Americans. It’s just a matter of whites having average higher IQs than black Americans…..That might be. That means, if we stick to our current ideas on race and income, that we now teach young people in university, that there is such a thing as “White Privilege”…..then the universities…..many of them staffed by Jews….to be consistent, better start preaching and teaching about “Jewish Privilege”…..Do we really want to go there? My own view is there is no “Jewish conspiracy”…..to control money and political power. Not a conspiracy, mostly just the playing out of average IQ in a population, as Jordan Peterson has suggested:
Starts at 13:12
Also historian Niall Ferguson had a conversation with a Jewish thinker, about Jews and money and banking before WWII. He says there is a wealth of uncovered data about banking in Germany, before the war. In the first ten minutes he talks about this data, who had the money, the history of banking in Germany:
Amazon has been banning books lately, including alternative versions of history. This seems a bad move, to me. What I would prefer is this: I would like to see a conference that includes the alt-right and Jewish scholars, where both could present their findings to an audience, and leave documents and presentations, for the world to judge.
Then there is this video on the story of Hitler. How much is true? I distrust unconventional history. I’d like to hear it critiqued by a Jewish historian. I believe in getting both sides:
When you can laugh at something, you are over something. Here, have a laugh at the Hitler Pizza video below. If you are German and can’t laugh at this, please remember what Robin Williams once said about comedy:
“I was once on a German talk show and the woman host said to me, ‘Mr. Williams, why do you think that there is, not so much comedy in Germany?’ And I said, ‘Did you ever think it was because you killed all the funny people?’