Confessions of an old Redneck Save for later Reblog
How to fix race relations in America?
Let me make a daring proposal and try to defend it. Here is what this old liberal Cracker has to say. In a phrase:
“Segregation would help.”
How so?
All races need a right, to be with their own kind, if that’s what they want. Why so? Because all races have a general tendency to sort themselves out along racial lines…and stick to their own kind. At least part of the population are like this. It’s a natural human thing for many people. It’s not a bad thing. You even see this in the most liberal city in North America, Vancouver Canada. They push multi-culturalism much more than Americans, they are very open minded and accepting of other races, it’s official government policy, there is no real history of bad racial relations in Vancouver anywhere near the extent of the violent racial problems in America’s past. Despite that, guess what? They have entire sections of the city that are entirely Chinese, by self-selection, other sections entirely people whose ancestors are from India…..by self-selection. Why does this happen? It’s what most humans prefer. It’s what the Chinese generally prefer. That’s what the Indians prefer. Most are nice people. Few are overtly racist…yet they prefer to be among their own kind. I personally don’t have a problem with this. Suppose for a moment that we accept this about all human beings?…including whites. Suppose for a moment that we organize zoning laws around this trait common in most human beings: People prefer to be among their own kind. And suppose there were future zoning law that said only Chinese can live in one designated area, only Indians can live in another designated area, only Whites in another designated area…would you be OK with that? As for me? I’d be fine with that.
And other areas would be zoned for people like me, who enjoy a diverse mixing of races. I expect under such a new segregation legal structure, the majority of each race would stick to their own kind, but maybe 30% would be like me and prefer a mixed race community. My dating past looks like a U.N. chart of the world. We miscegenists need our own communities, too. People see segregation as a bad thing, due to the history of the United States and all our past racism. I don’t have that baggage, as I’ve never been racist, so I see segregation as potentially a good thing…..because it’s the thing most people of all races actually want. So why should we not have zoning in cities based on what people want? Everyone could be happy with that solution. That would solve a lot of racial problems….hear me out.
Looking back on race relations in America, we had slavery, which was a really stupid and evil idea. It destroyed part of our souls. We whites wanted to make up for our evil. So we fought a bloody civil war over it. Many died. Then we tried for decades to integrate people who didn’t want to be integrated…many blacks, many whites…. all the while trying to push back against racism. I appreciate the push-back against racism, as it is something I push back against. Hostility and prejudice against other races is not a good thing. I appreciate the push for fairness and justice for all races, but after decades of that, we have to admit: we made things worse with the so called Great Society…. Great F Up, is more like it.
President Lyndon B. Johnson meant well, but he was the architect of that screw up. Democrats keep following his failed lead. Time for new ideas.
Back in the 1960s, we thought that, as part of the solution, we should integrate the races. It worked well in the movie To Sir With Love, with Sidney Poitier. Trouble is, life is not a movie. Racial integration is a noble goal, if that’s what people actually wanted, that’s a noble goal, if that would actually work in a practical way. But guess what? The evidence is in: It often doesn’t work…..and it’s not even what most people want. That’s why you have all the insanity at university, of everyone obsessing over race, everyone expecting the same outcome of every race…and worse, equal outcome of both genders. Guess what? We are all different…especially men and women, but this applies to race too. We don’t have a realistic view of gender, nor race in America: We all walk around on our tiptoes, hoping to avoid saying anything offensive, to avoid racial conflict. Is this a feasible plan? Can we keep doing this, forever? Most people of most races, don’t even want racial integration, so I doubt it. The cultural wheels are turning. Where this will end up is anyone’s guess. Change is in the air. Could be good. Could be bad. The root reason: It turns out there are enough biological and cultural differences between races, that mandatory integration of races isn’t really a practical goal, in my opinion. It won’t work.
Just like there are substantial differences between the genders…maybe more so than race…so integrating the genders at university and in the work place, is failing. Like the fools we are, rather than listening to the science on race and gender, rather than accepting that the races and genders are different, rather than accepting different outcomes, for genders and races, we keep expecting everyone to be the same, have the same outcome, then we tell everyone they should live together, work together. If it doesn’t work?…..the less realistic among us shout: that’s racism!…..that’s sexist!…..Naturally this stupidity brings unending problems, it won’t work, but we keep trying to fix something that can not be fixed…because we are different.
Then to top it off, the morons who run our society tell everyone to “celebrate diversity”….
Then we have imported many millions of people from around the globe, from every nation and we are turning ourselves into a Rainbow Nation…and expect that, based on our current ideas of gender and race, we can have a functioning society? Guess again, bucko. Guess what? It won’t work. It will get worse, if we continue running on past ideas. Solution? For starters: Let people live their lives, in their own homes and communities, with those they want to be around. Let all races, all group, all ethnicities, have these privileges. Let Americans of every race self-organize their own communities along racial or religious lines, if they so choose.
Maybe we should look at multi-ethnic situations around the world, to see what works, what patterns other humans have come up with, over time. Learn from other cultures. Black Pigeon Speaks does this, in this video on Burma. At 13 minutes he mentions that one way to keep the peace, is separate neighborhoods for different ethnic groups. Watch this video, you can see many, many similarities with the emerging American situation. Let’s not be arrogant: learn from other people.
This solution, of separate neighborhoods, is in the American tradition: Robert Frost said “Good fences make good neighbors”. And the truth is, all races, if they are a majority in an area and have a specific place they live, they have certain ways of living, that are reflected in the community. You can see it, just walking through the community. Ways of living that are different than other races. And I’m find with that. Hell, more than fine. I actually like that. Trouble is, most do not…that’s the truth.
Let’s be OK with whites and all other people who want to be around just their own kind, doing so.
It’s OK to be White.
Just like it’s OK to be Black, Chinese, or whatever you are.
So why a large paradigm shift now? Because, when whites were a large majority in America, and blacks were the only real minority of any size, then looking at the problem in terms of white guilt, thinking of the situation in terms of only black and white, thinking of our race situation only in terms of racial integration, that made sense, at least in the sense of a naive dream. Whites were secure back then when America was overwhelmingly white, since they were the large majority. So looking at the problem of integration made sense, integrating blacks, so long as whites continued to be a comfortable and dominant majority. It was psychologically possible to do so, only when whites were a solid majority. The further we get from whites being an overwhelming majority, year by year, the less the psychology of the past, of viewing race relations based on the black-white history of America, the less that makes sense. The less tenable it will become.
With the demographic shift ongoing in America, that old white America I grew up with, the Andy Griffith America, is disappearing every year. In a decade or two, whites will simply be less than half the population. They no longer feel safe, no longer feel overwhelmingly dominant, so the old narrative on race, the old way of looking at things, like we have to integrate everyone into white society, it made sense when whites were the vast majority. But now it feels like whites are the ones being replaces, whites are the ones assimilating into other cultures. Since America was historically founded by basically white people, built and invented by white people, it seems unlikely to me that whites will go willingly into the good night, being genetically replaced by the liberal coastal elites, without a fight. Everyone knows, whites are being replaced by the Democratic elite. It’s as well hidden as a blue sky on a sunny day. Long term: Whites will likely want to hold on to the country they build, their ancestors built. If we want racial peace in this situation, one way forward in peace is to do what multi-racial societies have done around the world for a long time, so they can live in peace: voluntarily divide up populations in cities, so different religions and races can co-exist in peace. That’s how a demographically complex society like India has survived for so long.
As part of our race reform: We need to get rid of “Great Society” thinking of my Generation…..that’s shit thinking, from the 1960s, that everyone will immediately integrate, that view has proven itself wrong, a billion times.
We need to rethink race. Here is a new radical view. Another new idea to help race relations:
Get rid of welfare. Get rid of all subsidies to Black women, that diminish the role of the Black man. Restore some dignity to black men. Welfare and the White man’s so called “generosity” took that away. What dignity welfare didn’t take away, prisons did. Fortunately President Trump is making inroads on prison reform. Even Van Johnson of CNN supports him on this. What a bad idea the “Great Society” turned out to be. FAIL! It made Black men useless to their women, not needed by their women, it destroyed the Black family, made Black Americans…especially Black Women, dependent on Whites, it was really, really hard on Black Males, who grew up without dads.
I’m an old guy. On behalf of our generation, sorry we screwed everything up. Perhaps you younger guys can unscrew America?
First, stop funding feminism at university. It’s social poison. I say take away voting rights from ALL WOMEN of ALL RACES, let men run their areas of the city, then take away all welfare. Then like Russia did, we make domestic violence a personal matter, that the police is reluctant to get involved in, except if the woman’s actual physical safety is threatened. Restore male authority. Let men and women sort through most of their own problems, without anyone sticking their nose in their business. And let Black Male Cops only, exclusively maintain law and order in Black Communities. AND: What the hell are we doing, letting women of ANY race, being cops? What the hell is a White cop doing in a Black Community, telling Black families how to live? What the hell is a Black cop doing in a White Community, telling White people how to live? Even doubly worse than all this: What the hell are we doing, letting any woman of any race, enforce the law? That’s unnatural. This is stupid and has to end! Some crazy White woman cop telling me what to do? That’s insane!
But the basic idea is this: Segregation is in the future of America. We may as well start thinking about how we will re-organize society, because our current ideas won’t work very long. We need to change the law on segregation, if we want to re-organize race relations, for the future.
There is a certain amount of legal precedent that is similar to these segregation concepts.
From wiki:
“Freedom of association encompasses both an individual’s right to join or leave groups voluntarily, the right of the group to take collective action to pursue the interests of its members, and the right of an association to accept or decline membership based on certain criteria. Freedom of Association, The Essentials of Human Rights[clarification needed] describes the right as coming together with other individuals to collectively express, promote, pursue and/or defend common interests. Freedom of Association is both an individual right and a collective right, guaranteed by all modern and democratic legal systems, including the United States Bill of Rights, article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and international law, including articles 20 and 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work by the International Labor Organization also ensures these rights.
Freedom of association is manifested through the right to join a trade union, to engage in free speech or to participate in debating societies, political parties, or any other club or association, including religious denominations and organizations, fraternities, and sport clubs. It is closely linked with freedom of assembly, particularly under the U.S. Bill of Rights. Freedom of assembly is typically associated with political contexts. However, (e.g. the U.S. Constitution, human rights instruments, etc.) the right to freedom of association may include the right to freedom of assembly.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association
In fact, that’s what whites who don’t want to be around other races, need to push for: the Right to Free Association, there needs to be clauses added to the Constitution, along those lines. Just so long as you can build “all White” or “all Chinese” or “all Black” communities, and “Mixed Race” communities, for those that want them, then different races living together in one country can work. That’s one part of making Trump’s vision of “Economic Nationalism”….feasible. People should be able to vote on voluntary segregation, in their local communities….while embracing a common nationalism.
The practical reason this makes sense is so simple: Turns out, if you look at voluntary housing patterns, most people of most races don’t actually want to live together. They are happy to be citizens of the same country, often very patriotic citizens, but they still want to live apart from other people of different races. It’s not just some Whites who feel this way. Chinese often don’t want Whites around. Blacks often don’t want Whites around, their neighborhood……I’m OK with that and we just need to accept that reality.
Decades ago, I tuned in to the fact that other races can hate Whites and be very racist. I don’t think most White people have understood that yet…..this was not part of the White mentality because for most of our history, we have had a white-dominated country. They are so high and mighty they are not perceptive enough, not around other races enough, to figure this out. That view is changing quickly as whites are around other races. I guess being called “rice face” by a Chinese man, decades ago, really paid off for me…..I should have thanked him for providing me, that insight, into Chinese racism towards whites. However, I also learned that most Chinese are very nice people.
People of all races need the right to live among their own kind, if they so choose. I’m all about personal choice. I would be quite happy if I were not allowed to live in an all black community. And what is good for the goose, is good for the gander. The Right to be Prejudiced in housing, in entire communities and cities and towns, should be a constitutional right, for all races. It would be a key thing, for people of all races, to get along, into our multi-racial future. It would actual promote racial harmony because it would be based on Voluntary Association, not Forced Association, which we have now.
Likely this proposal could build a lot of bridges among races, for obvious reason: they all want the same thing, they all want the right to organize their own communities along racial or I would argue religious lines too. If Muslim Americans want their own communities, I’m fine with that. Let them build their own swimming pools, since many don’t want to swim with us infidels….whatever our race.
I was talking to someone recently, and he told me how disgusted he was that he visited Vancouver and in certain areas all he saw was Chinese people, Chinese signs, he complained that it did not feel like Canada, it was another country, he said.
Here is what Bill had to say: “I visited Vancouver recently and we were going through Burnaby I think. That was NOT Canada. That was China. Chinese signs everywhere, Chinese political ads. I probably counted one white person for every 100 Chinese. Vancouver makes San Francisco look like white utopia by comparison”
My response to Bill?
Bill…..That observation of yours is actually a hopeful thing. It’s also the key to fixing many race problems in the U.S. It’s just a matter of changing your perspective: Liberals in the US say we Whites “must” integrate with other races, or we are “racist”. Well then, say to them, “Are the Chinese racist? Is Canada racist? They allow completely Chinese parts of the city. Is that racist?”….Bill, if we allow the Chinese to do this, then question: Why can’t we have entirely White parts of the city? Seems fair to me…..we treat all races the same. One core principle of law, is treating everyone the same. This works. I stay out of their back yard, they stay out of mine…..Bill, the future is segregation. Segregation 2.0. Not the old time segregation, you remember. Not racially antagonist segregation. A new and better one, that works for people of all races. This sort of voluntary racial segregation by choice, by the Chinese, this thing gives moral justification to the whole idea of racial segregation. It helps us think clearly about what is going on. The lesson from the Chinese is: Segregation does not have to be racist. Lots of other races would support this, not just Whites. That’s what would make the whole thing work. It’s voluntary. It’s what most people want….most people of all races. It’s what large segments of most populations want. Whites can build coalitions with Blacks who want the same thing, Chinese who want this, Latinos that want this…..
It’s counter-intuitive, but based on real world evidence…it works.
The mistake America made was telling all people, basically whites years ago, that integrating races was a moral good, that you were a bad person if you did not want that. I call bullshit on that. We were deluded into believing segregation is wrong, based on our immoral past and lack of clear thinking. We jumped to the erroneous conclusion that segregation has to be based on force, and that segregation is necessarily immoral. Wrong. That bullshit was imposed after slavery, but those days are long gone. People of all races now need the right to live among their own kind…..voluntarily. They also need the right for mixed race communities. No one needs to be forced, to do anything. The reason our current racial policies will not work, is their flaw: they are based on the use of force and coercion. That’s immoral.
Let’s look back, to see where we Whites went wrong:
Due to historical reasons, this kind of Freedom of Association segregation thing is now illegal. But looking back, we were wrong: trying to desegregate America was itself the bad idea. Segregation itself, minus the racism, was actually a good idea. Segregation? It should be legal again. We need to make it legal again. But to make it clear: I don’t want to go back to racist Jim Crow. Not a chance. That was a shit-hole era in many ways. But while they did much wrong…many whites were racist assholes, back then. They also did much right: They racially segregated society, because they knew what most people wanted. Since most Americans back them were White, this was easy to do.
I just want to go back to legal voluntary segregation as a legal choice, I don’t want to go back to racism.
How did we get rid of segregation? Remember your history: White people were assholes to Black people for a long time. It was called slavery. To make up for our racial guilt, we tried racially integrating America….physically forcing people to live together. Our racial guilt was a good thing for White people to have, for a short while, but I don’t own the sins of other White people, long since dead for the most part. No White person in America under 60 is responsible for any of that shit. It was not your doing. I believe in personal guilt, not racial guilt. Racial guilt is stupid. It’s so stupid that only stupid and racist people can defend it. If I got mugged by a Black man 40 years ago, it does not mean a young Black kid today is responsible. Hell no. Not a chance. If I were to hold that black kid responsible I’d be just another racist asshole. And that’s what the Progressive Left has become. If you are White and under 60, you should have ZERO guilt, as long as you now try to treat all races fairly. You don’t even have to like people of other races, just treat them fairly. That’s all that’s required for you to be a decent human being, in my book.
Here’s how we Whites screwed up: To make up for our guilt, we tried integrating the races by force, by the government jamming it’s fingers down our throats. Guess what? It did not work. People…of any race…don’t need to be told by government, who they should want to live around, who they should want to go to school with. That’s why I’m happy with all-Chinese neighborhoods. That’s why I’m happy, with all Indo-Canadian neighborhoods. That’s why I would be fine with all-White neighborhoods. Let people have a choice. Let them control their own communities. It would help race relations in America greatly. Legal segregation at this point, could actually improve race relations.
And the other thing we got wrong was we Whites said that racially homogeneous communities are bad. By themselves, they were necessarily bad. We told ourselves it was immoral to have an all-White community. We mixed up our necessary racial guilt over past crap we did, with an obviously good idea: racially uniform communities. It turns out racially uniform communities, for many reasons, are highly functional and often successful. The Chinese in Vancouver know this. They prove it every day. So do the Canadians with ancestors from India. We Whites must put our stupid White guilt aside, and learn from these other races. We threw the baby out with the bath water…..what fools White people have been. It was an understandable mistake: We were filled with guilt from the racism of our past, and separate White communities were the norm back then, so we assumed that racially separate communities were immoral or impractical.
To which I say: WRONG…..complete bullshit. Racially uniform communities, are just fine.
We need to rethink race relations in America. Going forward, we will have a multi-racial society. In just a few decades. America won’t be the White America I grew up in. I grew in in an Andy Griffith/Leave it to Beaver world. I know that world is passing away. My bad knees remind me of that, every day I go for a walk. I miss that world, but tough shit for me. The past is another country. We only have one time on earth and life keeps changing. Let’s figure out the best way forward. We are entering a new and different America. That’s where our demography is going. That’s what the data says. This means many many problems, will face us. We think we have racial problems now? It’s going to get worse. Much worse. Will we be ready for those problems? Fuck no. We have no clue. We don’t even know what the problem is, in our thinking:
Forcing people to racially integrate has not worked in the past. It won’t work in the future.
Insanity is doing something, getting a certain result you don’t like, figuring out that it does not work, then doing that same thing over and over, hoping the result will change…but it never does. To think it will suddenly work is a fool’s game. Don’t be a fool, whatever your color. All racial integration should be based on voluntary integration…not force. Forced integration, forced multi-culturalism, which we have now, won’t work. It just leads to race resentment and the forthcoming Zombie Apocalypse, when things eventually break down…..and they will, believe me, they will. Every country eventually fails. Our current social arrangements are unsustainable. The more multi-racial our society becomes, the more problems we will have, because we are forcing people of every race to do what most don’t want to do.
If you think about it, the people pushing our current race policies, are “liberals.” and “progressives”. As such, those are the people most open, to other races. Kind of ironic isn’t it, that the people most open to other races are so dumb, they can’t even see that it is the policies they push, that are causing the most racial problems, right now? Kinda funny, isn’t it?
Let’s dream for a moment: In what world would our current race ideas work?
If everyone of every race, was extremely liberal and progressive, very open to other people, and if all races had the same economic outcomes, if all races had the same work ethic, the same IQ, the same personal traits, then multi-cultural societies, with people working and living together…. would work. Guess what? Most people are not extremely liberal. They have many, many differences that drive them apart. Most people would be happier in a uni-ethnic neighborhood. That’s why there are no successful multi-racial, multi-cultural societies in human history: They generally don’t work. We humans, most of us, we are not wired that way, no matter what our race. Guess what? You can’t rewire human nature. A few of us are very liberal, most are not…in every race. Wake the fuck up, America. Pull your head out of your ass. We need to come up with new solutions.
There you go: Something old, is new again…..
Oh, I think I’ll go have a beer. See you later….at the Cracker Barrel….
You’re welcome…..
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