I was part of a particularly good thread on Sargon’s The Thinkery, about how Anti-feminism was now more popular than feminism. I thought I’d save the thread, as different people made great comments. It summarizes quite well, but repeats points I have previously made in other blogs:
Me: “One of the reasons I hate feminism is feminists don’t understand simple biology and evolution. And their ignorance of female biology is screwing up society.
Ask yourself: Why is there so much immigration? My answer: There is a baby shortage in advanced countries, because of feminism, so we flood the West with Third World Refugees. It’s feminist’s fault.
In a nutshell: women of all races evolved to have children, when women are young. Feminism tells women to work, or go to school when they are young, instead of having kids. Once women work or go to school, they start to economically out-compete many men. This conflicts with evolution. I’ll explain this right away.
Evolution has lessons for us: Humans are sexually dimorphic, men are larger and stronger than women and females have long gestation times….9 months. Babies take a long time to raise. Nature’s solution to this: Women evolved for “hyper-gamy”. It means they want to “mate up”….have sex with men who are higher up the social and financial ladder…women do this in order to have the best man, who will stick around, help her raise the baby. So far, so good…
This was no problem for all of evolution….till 100 years ago, when men invented science and the modern world. Then men invented birth control and the modern economy and modern education. And men gave women the vote. This started a trend that led to feminism. This also led to the welfare state, which women voted in, so they could take men’s money without bothering to do anything for him! Men pay most of the taxes, women benefit from most of the tax money.
Women became less directly dependent on men. They for the first time, have very long education periods. The modern world, which lets women work and get an education, reduces the birth rate because the modern world conflicts with evolution. Here’s how: Females evolved to pursue men that have more resources than they do….hyper-gamy. In the modern world, women spend a lot of time in school, spend a lot of time working, so they start to economically out-compete men….But women are still hyper-gamous: so they don’t want the men, that they out-compete. That won’t change.
Women working and getting an education means the birth rate drops, because women are busy working and busy studying. The more they work and get educated, the fewer babies they have. Part of this is that as women rise in the world, they won’t “marry down”. Men will “marry down” if she earns less than him. Women won’t. That’s hyper-gamy, in a nutshell.
And what do you call it when women organize and push women to make their own money, compete with men, go to school, use birth control, have abortions? You call that thing…..*feminism.*
So as I see it, feminism is destroying the modern world. It’s out of whack with nature and with evolution.
The other thing with evolution, sperm evolved to last till the man is dead. That’s why men want sex, more than women do. So the male breeding season lasts till a man is dead. For females, there is a very short breeding season. Basically women evolved to have their children, by age 30….then their fertility slows down. Female fertility basically falls off a cliff at age 35. Female eggs last a much shorter time….basically between age 14 and 35….then women are biologically dead, as far as babies is concerned.
Again, all this conflicts with evolution:
Since women basically are pushed by feminism and the modern world, to work and go to school and compete with men, and at the same time every woman has a biological clock that is ticking, it means the more women work and go to school, generally the fewer children she will have. Look at birth rates. Britain is dead….thanks feminism. White people in America are dead….thanks feminism. Japan and China are dead…..thanks feminism. All the advanced countries, where women get an education and work….are all dying demographically, because they follow the feminist model in life planning for women. That model is designed to kill a country.
Feminism sets up a social pattern that works against evolution and nature. Then it kills a country. The birth rate in advanced countries is so low, they will extinguish themselves in a few decades, as Elon Musk pointed out in his video “No More Kids”. There are no prominent voices speaking out on this issue. Even Jordan Peterson, no friend to feminists, does not speak out on these obvious truths. The Harpy Sisters of Feminism still run things, as far as the female role in society goes. The solution? For one thing women should be not working and going to school in their 20s. They should be having babies. That’s when nature intended it.
Feminism? No thanks. I don’t support cultural suicide. #abortfeminism
End quote….italics in previous quotes are modified original quote, where I added to it.
Me: I like this explanation because it is simple, it is based on obvious observations that many people have already observed in the world, it is based on observing nature and history, it is blame-free, it does not blame women, does not blame Jews, and rings true to me.
Solutions? When I posted these comments on a thread on Sargon of Akkad’s y-tube The Thinkery, blogger smiley 1 replied:
“That’s why we must change the gender dynamics forever. We need artificial wombs and replacements for male sex needs other than biological women, which is primary reason why men are powerless when it comes to gender issues. True equality can never be served unless men get to finally be free from their irrational craving for sex and relationships.”
I replied to smiley 1: Well, artificial wombs would change things in a hurry…. My guess as to where this is going: women will eventually destroy civilization, we will have to do a re-set, after the blood stops flowing in the streets. In a new society, women will not have the vote. Hope I’m wrong. I’m pretty old. I saw a Twilight Zone episode about a robot woman. I think it came out in 1962. The idea has been around a long time. I remember this episode:
I hope we humans can do better than this, but time will tell.
Then on the thread, blogger Purpura Draco commented: “
You covered much but I think there’s more.
Feminism is a traditional cult like any other. It seeks members from the dissatisfied and disaffected. It attracts members with a disavowal of personal responsibility, explaining away their woes as someone else’s fault. It then relies on brain-washing, or social programming, to rebuild them as drones for the collective, establishing better control of it’s members.
We all know how cults work but we don’t seem to be able to prevent them rising because there are always, somewhere out there, people who are dissatisfied and disaffected as well as those who would exploit them for personal gain. What the cult of feminism has been able to do that it’s predecessors couldn’t, is make use of advanced communications technology (social media access at the touch of a smart phone) to reach more marks. This tech has allowed it to amplify it’s very small voice and it’s so prolific and incessant that those who would not otherwise notice can’t help but hear them and believe they speak for many rather than few. This tech is brand new and what it can do, crap like this, is not common knowledge, especially for out of touch politicians who see shiny and think the fact it jingles makes it somehow relevant.
The problem in doing something about it, well, there are a few road blocks. Already left-leaning educational institutions also think that shiny new noise-maker gives credence to what they’ve always believed so at last we not only want what they have always wanted to give but even more of it. Traditional media is even worse, latching on desperately to the noise of the very technology that has made it a dinosaur ripe for extinction, gotta chase those clicks for traffic and profit that is drying up. Then there’s entertainment where popularity rules so of course they will amplify the noise.
It all results in a bigger problem, that of examining the issues with this cult and doing something about it. Historically we have relied on the educated to determine the issue and propose solutions, the media to disseminate the story far and wide and the politicians to enact the solution. None of that is happening because the noise distraction is drowning out everything else.
I believe it wasn’t planned, that there is no evil genius stroking a cat while laughing maniacally, it’s the natural result of not thinking through the implications of introducing such a far-reaching and untested new technology. This is not to say the evil cat-lovers of the world haven’t noticed and aren’t now taking advantage of it but lets not give credit to individuals when it’s far more plausible that no one invented this as a master plan.
The solution? As more of us stand up to be counted, our actual numbers vs theirs will make a difference, even if we have essentially been forced to play the role of counter-culture against something that was never embedded in culture to start with, it just emulated it with empty noise.”
To which I replied: ” I agree that feminism is a cult that seeks members from the dissatisfied and disaffected. That’s why feminism tends to attract more unattractive women, mentally problematic women, than you would randomly expect. Attractive women usually don’t need feminism. Unattractive ones sometimes do. Mentally ill women who have had abusive relationship with men, are quite common in feminism. Jordan Peterson admitted as much in an interview with Roger Scruton. I wrote a blog about it:
I replied: “As far as your comments on feminists:
‘a disavowal of personal responsibility, explaining away their woes as someone else’s fault. It then relies on brain-washing, or social programming, to rebuild them as drones for the collective, establishing better control of it’s members. ‘
That’s true. I think the reason that feminist programming works on many women, is that women evolved to be taken care of, by the group….especially by top males in male led groups. Personal responsibility is more a male thing. Group responsibility is more a female thing….to care for the collective. Women evolved more with a Hive Mind…than did men, on average. You see this in voting patterns: women tend to vote more for Democrats than men do, on average. And Democrats are all about sharing resources, collective Hive minds, social programming and control.
Your comments on the leverage power of technology and cults were fascinating, and rang true to me. I think you are right, but it’s an age thing. Younger people are more clued into that, than are older people. But when I read your comments on technology, I could not help but think: Feminists use technology to amplify their message, but then again so could people who were against feminism….works both ways.
As far as your comments on “road blocks” and what to do about it, your comments rang true. But I would say one thing: I think universities are going away….the old bricks and mortar ones. I think new universities and existing brick and mortar ones will give men the option of more online work. And men tend to prefer “things” over “people”. Women prefer “people” over “things”.So in time I think this will mean the brick and mortar universities will start emptying of men. And more and more men will gravitate to online education. That trend will help kill feminism, because feminism relies on university money….ultimately public money….to survive…and as the universities die or are transformed, this will damage feminism….due to lack of money.
So as far as your comment on “the politicians to enact the solution“….the most useful thing politicians can do, is fund online universities, and get free speech codes vigorously put into place, on campus. And one more thing: put all courses online. Make a legal requirement that ALL education is online. The reason? When all the feminist trash taught at university is put online, the public….who is paying for it….can view it. If they like it, they can support it. If they don’t like it, they can criticize it. Feminism has continued to exist, despite being a false, destructive, brain dead way of looking at the world, simply because outside criticism of it’s ideas, has not been possible. Make it possible. If feminists have good ideas, those good ideas will survive. Bad ideas will die.
As far as your paragraph on “I believe it wasn’t planned, that there is no evil genius stroking a cat while laughing maniacally”….I agree with your perspective and observations. They ring true.
You made some great comments. Thanks.”
To which Purpura Draco replied:
“Amplification can work for both sides, sure, but it’s all about demographics and attitude. Bottom line is that something like 90% of social media posts are made by 10% of social media users. Those with a propensity to proselytise are most vocal, which definitely includes cult followers but not those disinterested or opposed to it because we’re normal and mind our own business.
Anyone who has used the internet regularly knows full well that opinions are worthless and everybody has one so tend not to take them seriously. Out of touch politicians, which is to say almost all politicians, wouldn’t know that. Traditional media companies don’t care, they just chase the clicks and because SJWs are so loud and so fervent they’ve employed them cheap to do the chasing for them. And those chasing popularity follow the buzz. Fact is we who are opposed to SJWism, which includes the cult of feminism, don’t buzz on social media. We barely murmur on it, not least because we can see through it and know it for the worthless trash it is. You couldn’t pay me to use Twitter, FB and the like, they’re pure garbage, and I’d bet a lot think similarly if not exactly the same as I do.”
To which I replied: “Great comment. Thanks.”
The person who started the thread, Morgan O’Brien-Bledsoe capped off the thread, saying:
“Ok so there are a lot of very intelligent people, specifically men, in this thread. Thank all of you”
I’ll add one more thing, not included in original thread. I said it elsewhere, but it’s germane and worth repeating, slightly modified:
In all human societies, it is the biological responsibility of women, to produce offspring, to sustain a culture. This is where female leadership comes in. They set the agenda, biologically, for a culture. They decide if a culture lives or dies. They decide if a culture has babies, or not. All these things are not the male role in nature, which is to compete for women, then when the woman has decided about family and offspring, the male role is to cater to those feminine demands….for what kind of family she wants, what kind of culture she wants, what the physical shape of her community should be…housing etc. Men are there to give the woman what she wants, provide for her needs and the needs of her children, once those needs are articulated. Feminists have abandoned their primary role, to guide the female half of the human equation. Instead, they try to turn women into men. Second rate men, at that. Feminism is partly based on jealousy. This insane female jealousy of men has to cease and desist. Feminists have abandoned leadership for the primary role for which nature evolved females in the first place: family and children. Feminists have abandoned leadership for the central role of females, in human life. This is insane. Feminism says that it is the female who must control her own body. I have no argument with that. As part of feminist dogma, they omitted the conjoined obligation, that with the control over her own body, the women must assume responsibility to have enough babies, to keep a culture sustainable. It is a comment on the insanity of feminist theory that the sustainability of Western Civilization, which produced the culture where women have more rights and comfort than any other, is not a concern of theirs, as if they simply float along like leaves blown about in an autumn wind, as if they play no role in that story, despite the fact that women are the central character in that human drama. Despite the fact that in mammals, it is the female who has the offspring, and in modern life it is the female who has full and complete control of that birthing process. Creating an ideology for women, which neglects the consequence of that ideology demographically destroying the society around them is insane.
In conclusion: #abortfeminism
Why? Because it does not work.